Mccain vs Obama on Faith, Religion and Politics

It certainly was no debate but if one listened carefully it was very informative. Certainly no changes as they proclaim but many things to raise even more questions about Senator Obama, especially his honesty.

One can debate the Saddleback Church Forum from now till after the election ends but Senator Obama's earlier statement “I don't want my girls to have to live with a mistake,” and during the forum he said “this is above my pay grade,” when asked when does one consider life begins; yet Senator Obama would have us all believe he is Christian. It is clear Senator Obama is saying only what he thinks we want to hear him say rather than to be truthful. This leads me to wonder how many other answers he's given or still intends to give that are not truthful.

Instead of yes or no answers to questions that required a yes or no Senator Obama again continuously gave round about answers with no clear yes or no but in reality left unanswered on several issues he was asked about. It leads one to wonder what Senator Obama is actually hiding with all of that smooth double talk.

As for the Welfare Reform I would personally like to see the government do an investigation of how many of those single mothers's moved from the Welfare Rolls to the Foster Care Payment Plans. Did we just move the non faith based single mothers from one welfare plan to another and give it a new name figuring no one would ever know? Some of us are not stupid.

With an upswing on abortions, as there certainly would be once it is legalized under Senator Obama, who stated “discarded embryos should be used for research” one can and will argue the point that this includes all aborted children as well. Committing legal murder on a helpless muted victim can be a profitable business for one with no soul I suppose. But Senator Obama's comment “it's above my pay grade,” answering the question regarding when a life begins will not save his soul from damnation for the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocents should Senator Obama pass that bill.

Senator Obama also claiming to be a Christian will do nothing to stop same sex marriages, in fact neither will Senator McCain for that matter, unless it comes to his personal state. How noble of you Senator McCain! Don't you think as a Christian that the rest of us Christian's might want the same consideration? And I'll throw in a real blast from the past for you all, God created man from the dirt he created previously and breathed life into man and man became a living soul. God deemed it was not good for man to be alone and created woman, but hey girls guess what? Woman was created out of a part of a man and it wasn't just any old part, it was a man's rib, meaning women were to be by a man's side not apart or separate of or from. God made both male and female then told them to go and multiply, hence the first husband and wife.

What good is it to listen to what others have to say and respect others points of views if you are unwilling to make compromises regarding such issues? Any good listener can listen but do you hear what they are saying? Do you understand what they are telling you? Any person can make up rules but it takes someone special to make acceptable compromises that all can live with even if they don't totally agree with them. There is no compromise in this champagne on either side and therefore there are no changes from either candidate; one is pro and one is con but no compromises anywhere which would truly have meant “a change we can believe in” as it is right now it's just the same old election just a different session.

Senator Obama a good Christian knows that we must always strive to defeat evil. Your passiveness is incomprehensible to true Christians. I don't know what Bible you are or have been studying from but the original Holy Bible of the Living God of Jesus Christ tells us that we are to confront and defeat all evil. A true Christian also knows this is not necessarily done physically as in wars and killings either. It is done through banding together in faith, love, prayer and song until God takes action. Only through God and Jesus Christ can evil be defeated.

The icing on the cake was in hearing Senator Obama say”the devil's in the details” when asked about Federal Funding usage for Faith Based organizations. The devil is no where unless we call him to be there all true Christian's know this. That is precisely the reason Faith Based organizations don't want to let unbelievers working with them on projects. Yet it is a fact that Faith Based organizations do a much better job of handling certain things that funds are available for but tied up by people like you refusing to allow them to do the work they are supposed to be doing without worldly strings attached.

As for paying teachers more money, I and others like me believes that it won't matter how much you pay a teacher as long as the children are allowed to be disrespectful, arrogant, combative instead of competitive, disruptive instead of contributive and the schools are allowed to teach against parental faith based teachings nothing will get any better. So for a Presidential Candidate Senator Obama who is supposedly listening, you certainly are neither hearing nor understanding what is being said by the people.

Senator McCain had little in the way of surprises and his answers were just about what we had expected from him. He was much more decisive than Senator Obama was and answered every yes and no question with a yes or a no and added a very heart wrenching story to go with most of them.

I have only one other complaint about Senator McCain aside from his views on same sex marriage and that is I hope he can be a little more diplomatic when dealing with less arrogant countries than Russia so we don't look like the same kind of bullies as Russia is seeming to be. Other than that Senator McCain seems to be the real McCoy as far as his Christianity is concerned.

Senator Obama, I don't like people that never actually answer a question because they are like snakes slithering around until they find a dark crack to slither through and ultimately out. Don't think that by never truly answering a question you can't be held accountable, old time Chicago gangsters once thought like that and many of them died in prison, because all things done in the darkness comes out in the light. If you don't like someone supposedly misrepresenting what your position is then perhaps it was because you didn't make your position clear enough and answered with one of your non committal answers, in which case a non commitment is no stand at all and your indignation is completely unjustified. And non commitment is not what America needs or is looking for.

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Comments (5)
#1 by Ralph Brandt
Aug 20, 2008
I think you have summed it up well. You express concern that McCain will be a bully, I think that John McCain President will be more diplomatic than John McCain Senator.
#2 by DOUGLAS FIELD
Sep 6, 2008
WHERE ALSO ARE AMERICA'S RELIGIOUS LEADERS ??

SENATOR OBAMA,PLEASE GIVE AMERICA ~ A DOSE OF REALITY CONCERNING THIS US HORROR ???

LETS ALL HOPE OUR MEDIA FRIENDS CONTINUE TO ALSO SHOW AN INTEREST IN REPORTING ON THIS AMERICAN HORROR FACING THESE (TENS OF THOUSANDS) FORGOTTEN AND TRAPPED POORER AMERICANS, AND HOW THIS PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER HANDLES THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE FACING AMERICA\'S LATINO AND BLACK AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ????


WITH 80% OF THE BLACK AMERICAN VOTERS SAYING THEY SUPPORT SENATOR OBAMA IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, IT IS ONLY FAIR FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW PRIOR BEING ELECTED OUR NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HOW THIS DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TRULY FEELS ABOUT THIS AMERICAN JUDICIAL HORROR CONTINUING TO INFLICT GRAVE HARM ON THE BLACK AMERICAN FAMILIES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE ??????

*** WHEN GOD\'S FACE BECAME VERY RED ***
THE US SUPREME COURT GAVE ENEMY COMBATANTS FEDERAL APPEAL HC RIGHTS LAWYERS AND PROPER ACCESS TO US FEDERAL COURTS,AND POORER AMERICANS (MANY EVEN ON DEATH ROW) ARE DENIED PROPER FEDERAL APPEAL LEGAL REPRESENTATION TO OUR US FEDERAL COURTS OF APPEAL, AND ROTTING IN AMERICAN PRISONS NATIONWIDE ?????????


***THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE $LOWLY FINDING OUT HOW EA$Y IT I$ FOR MIDDLE CLA$$ AND WORKING POOR AMERICAN$ TO FALL VICTIM TO OUR U$ MONETARY JUDICIAL $Y$TEM.

****WHEN THE US INNOCENT WERE ABANDONED BY THE GUILTY ****
The prison experts have reported that there are 100,000 innocent Americans currently being falsely imprisoned along with the 2,300,000 total US prison population nationwide.
Since our US Congress has never afforded poor prison inmates federal appeal legal counsel for their federal retrials,they have effectively closed the doors on these tens of thousands of innocent citizens ever being capable of possibly exonerating themselves to regain their freedom through being granted new retrials.

This same exact unjust situation was happening in our Southern States when poor and mostly uneducated Black Americans were being falsely imprisoned for endless decades without the needed educational skills to properly submit their own written federal trial appeals.

**INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE DENIED REAL HC RIGHTS WITH THEIR FEDERAL APPEALS !!
This devious and deceptive judicial process of making our poor and innocent prison inmates formulate and write their own federal appeal legal cases for possible retrials on their state criminal cases,is still in effect today even though everyone in our US judicial system knows that without proper legal representation, these tens of thousands of innocent prison inmates will be denied their rightful opportunities of ever being granted new trials from our federal appeal judges!!

Sadly, the true US *legal* Federal Appeal situation that occurs when any of our uneducated American prison inmates are forced to attempt to submit their own written Federal Appeals (from our prisons nationwide) without the assistance of proper legal counsel, is that they all are in reality being denied their legitimate rights for Habeas Corpus and will win any future Supreme Court Case concerning this injustice!

For our judicial system and our US Congressional Leaders Of The Free World to continue to pretend that this is a real and fair opportunity for our American Middle Class and Working Poor Citizens, only delays the very needed future change of Federal Financing of all these Federal appeals becoming a normal formula of Our American judicial system.

It was not so very long ago that Public Defenders became a Reality in this country.Prior that legal reality taking place, their were also some who thought giving anyone charged with a crime a free lawyer was a waste of taxpayers $$.

This FACADE and HORROR of our Federal Appeal proce$$ is not worthy of the Greatest Country In The World!

***GREAT SOCIETIES THAT DO NOT PROTECT EVEN THEIR INNOCENT, BECOME THE GUILTY!


A MUST READ ABOUT AMERICAN INJUSTICE:
1) YAHOO AND 2) GOOGLE
MANNY GONZALES THE KID THAT EVERYONE FORGOT IN THE CA PRISON SYSTEM. ** A JUDICIAL RIDE OF ONES LIFE !

lawyersforpooramericans@yahoo.com
(424-247-2013)
#3 by Bing U.
Sep 13, 2008
Great article. We definitely need a leader (McCain) who knows where he stands and is direct to the point rather than one(Obama) who tends to go around in circles to mesmerize and sweet talk those who don't take the time to dig deeper and analyze the important issues that create a major impact in our way of life.
#4 by DOUGLAS FIELD
Oct 6, 2008
SENATOR OBAMA,ANOTHER POSSIBLE innocent poorer black american ALSO NEEDS YOUR VOICE FOR JUSTICE AND REASON IN GEORGIA ???


DOES GOD NEED TO LOBBY OUR US CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD ON BEHALF OF OUR POORER AMERICAN’S SENATOR OBAMA,OR ARE YOU WATCHING OUT FOR THEM ??

SURELY OUR US CONGRESS & US SUPREME COURT BOTH KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A STATE MURDER IN GEORGIA OR A POSSIBLE EXECUTION IN GEORGIA THIS WEEK ???

OUR US CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD CONTINUE TO DENY MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING POOR AMERICANS PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION EVEN THOUGH WRONGFUL EXECUTIONS & FALSE INCARCERATIONS CONTINUE ALL ACROSS AMERICA ???

*** 700 BILLION $$$ AVAILABLE FOR US BAILOUT, & NO $$$ FOR ALL POORER AMERICANS PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION ???????

WHERE ARE AMERICA ‘S RELIGIOUS LEADERS ??
SENATOR OBAMA, THIS JUDICIAL INJUSTICE HAS BECOME AN AMERICAN ART FORM, AND NO LONGER CAN BE KEPT HIDDEN OR SECRET FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EVEN IF CERTAIN (501c3) U$ RELIGIOU$ LEADER$ HAVE BEEN $ILENCED ??

LETS ALL HOPE OUR MEDIA FRIENDS CONTINUE TO SHOW AN INTEREST IN REPORTING ON THIS AMERICAN HORROR FACING THESE (TENS OF THOUSANDS) FORGOTTEN AND TRAPPED POORER AMERICANS, AND HOW THIS PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER HANDLES THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE FACING AMERICA’S LATINO AND BLACK AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ????

WITH 80% OF THE BLACK AMERICAN VOTERS SAYING THEY SUPPORT SENATOR OBAMA IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, IT IS ONLY FAIR FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW PRIOR BEING ELECTED OUR NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HOW THIS DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TRULY FEELS ABOUT THIS AMERICAN JUDICIAL INJUSTICE CONTINUING TO INFLICT GRAVE HARM ON THE BLACK & LATINO AMERICAN FAMILIES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE ??????

*** WHEN GOD’S FACE BECAME VERY RED ***
THE US SUPREME COURT GAVE ENEMY COMBATANTS FEDERAL APPEAL HC RIGHTS LAWYERS AND PROPER ACCESS TO US FEDERAL COURTS,AND POORER AMERICANS (MANY EVEN ON DEATH ROW) ARE DENIED PROPER FEDERAL APPEAL LEGAL REPRESENTATION TO OUR US FEDERAL COURTS OF APPEAL, AND ROTTING IN AMERICAN PRISONS NATIONWIDE ?????????

**** INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE DENIED REAL HC RIGHTS WITH THEIR FEDERAL APPEALS !
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE $LOWLY FINDING OUT HOW EA$Y IT I$ FOR MIDDLE CLA$$ AND WORKING POOR AMERICAN$ TO FALL VICTIM TO OUR U$ MONETARY JUDICIAL $Y$TEM.

****WHEN THE US INNOCENT WERE ABANDONED BY THE GUILTY ****
The prison experts have reported that there are 100,000 innocent Americans currently being falsely imprisoned along with the 2,300,000 total US prison population nationwide.

Since our US Congress has never afforded poor prison inmates federal appeal legal counsel for their federal retrials,they have effectively closed the doors on these tens of thousands of innocent citizens ever being capable of possibly exonerating themselves to regain their freedom through being granted new retrials.

This same exact unjust situation was happening in our Southern States when poor and mostly uneducated Black Americans were being falsely imprisoned for endless decades without the needed educational skills to properly submit their own written federal trial appeals.

This devious and deceptive judicial process of making our poor and innocent prison inmates formulate and write their own federal appeal legal cases for possible retrials on their state criminal cases,is still in effect today even though everyone in our US judicial system knows that without proper legal representation, these tens of thousands of innocent prison inmates will be denied their rightful opportunities of ever being granted new trials from our federal appeal judges!!

Sadly, the true US *legal* Federal Appeal situation that occurs when any of our uneducated American prison inmates are forced to attempt to submit their own written Federal Appeals (from our prisons nationwide) without the assistance of proper legal counsel, is that they all are in reality being denied their legitimate rights for Habeas Corpus with our US FEDERAL COURTS and will win any future Supreme Court Case concerning this injustice!

For our judicial system and our US Congressional Leaders Of The Free World to continue to pretend that this is a real and fair opportunity for our American Middle Class and Working Poor Citizens, only delays the very needed future change of Federal Financing of all these Federal appeals becoming a normal formula of Our American judicial system.

It was not so very long ago that Public Defenders became a Reality in this country.Prior that legal reality taking place, their were also some who thought giving anyone charged with a crime a free lawyer was a waste of taxpayers $$.

This FACADE and HORROR of our Federal Appeal proce$$ is not worthy of the Greatest Country In The World!
***GREAT SOCIETIES THAT DO NOT PROTECT EVEN THEIR INNOCENT, BECOME THE GUILTY!

A MUST READ ABOUT AMERICAN INJUSTICE:
1) YAHOO 2) GOOGLE
MANNY GONZALES THE KID THAT EVERYONE FORGOT IN THE CA PRISON SYSTEM. ** A JUDICIAL RIDE OF ONES LIFE !

lawyersforpooramericans@yahoo.com
(424-247-2013)
#5 by Heather
Nov 1, 2008
My friend...it's not so much whether Senator Obama is really listening or hearing what you or anyone else is saying. I love what you've written here but I suspect that as you accuse Obama and McCain of not really hearing, you are not seeing the big picture. Obama has his own agenda, one that has nothing to do with Christianity, liberty or your opinion and the fact that he said "The Devil's in the details" was in all actuality, about the most honest thing he has said so far.

What they are teaching in the schools is what our own government...more particularly Hillary Clinton and spouse with her womens caucus, went out of their way to pass behind our backs...along with the laws on abortion and etc. in 1998 at the UN Summit Conferences in Turkey! OUr own government has been plotting against us for decades luv! This is all well thought out...well planned and immaculately orchestrated! It's happening just exactly as they've planned it and we can't do a thing to stop it.

People who think we still have a say make my butt twitch. I know it's just naivete on the part of the people but really...how long can the people stand with their heads in the sand and cry..."I didn't know? No one bothered to tell me the truth?!!" and expect that theirs will be the blameless stance of a victim? Ignorance is a poor sheild against the evil we are truly facing here.

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